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Don't you need planning permission for CCTV cameras? Only someone has just put a giant one up on our street which is basically quiet and residential. Strange. It has a microphone and everything.

Published by Doris (not active) at 3:40pm on Thu 19th November 2009. Viewed 5,329 times.

I thought you if you have one at the front of your property you can only have it covering your front yard. Don`t think you need planning permission.

Published by daggg at 3:44pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

No, it's a council one.

Published by Doris (not active) at 3:46pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

Should think they are a law unto themselves. SilentRob knows about planning permission, I`m sure he`ll be along.

Published by daggg at 3:47pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

I just wondered if anyone else knew. I'm aware he might be starting to feel like a one-stop for planning questions which I totally didn't mean it as. I'm just p***ed off it's there since it could only really be to watch people going to and from the homeless hostel near me, or people going to Arbury. Which is a bit shit I reckon.

Published by Doris (not active) at 3:53pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

222?

Published by daggg at 3:54pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

Yes.

Published by Doris (not active) at 3:55pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

You don't need planning permission to put in a CCTV camera unless you live in a listed building, it's a massive one, you have 16 or more on one building. Obviously if it is intrusive (like you fitted one looking into a neighbours property then you can complain about it.)

The Council can do what they want , although if you feel it is intrusive (such as filming your property) then complain about it. You need to complain to the City Council if it is in Cambridge.

Published by Silent Rob at 3:57pm on Thu 19th November 2009.
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I might complain. I feel that it is genuinely intrusive although it may have gone up in response to complaints from other people as there is sometimes noise from people late at night, doesn't bother me, may do others. I'm really unhappy about it although I'm hopefully not staying here long so it shouldn't affect me too much.

Published by Doris (not active) at 4:00pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

if it doesnt bother you why are you going to complain about it? Like you said others may have felt the need for it so for you to complain for no good reason would do them a disservice i reckon...

Published by hodgezappa at 4:04pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

It does bother me, only I just don't feel it's fair to complain if I'm not sticking around. It really bothers me to be honest.

Published by Doris (not active) at 4:07pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

Doris' "it doesn't bother me" was referring to the noise from people late at night, not the CCTV. That clearly *does* bother her.

Sorry to speak for you, Doris!

Published by Jude 1 (not active) at 4:11pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

hmmm don't get me wrong here, you're perfectly entitled to your opinion and i'm not saying youre wrong at all, its just that im all for CCTV going up everywhere as i'm not intending on breaking any laws and i've had a great bike stolen this year, if CCTV was up i might've caught the theiving gits who did it. I dont want to get too DailyMail but can someone make a good case for not having CCTV apart from the usual 'it goes against my personal freedom etc etc'?

Published by hodgezappa at 4:15pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

Yeah, I must admit I'm kind of the same hodgezappa. It's sort of something I often think I *ought* to be against, on moral grounds etc, but I can see the point of it for safety, crime prevention etc perhaps. Then I get scared that I'm turning into an old reactionary... eek!

Published by Jude 1 (not active) at 4:18pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

I often think I *ought* to be against, on moral grounds etc, but I can see the point of it for safety, crime prevention etc perhaps

I was just thinking the same Jude1 - but then again, I would, wouldn't I?

Published by Old Rocker at 4:19pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

Hehe :-)

Published by Jude 1 (not active) at 4:20pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

I hate it. I think it's used to pick on vulnerable groups and I suspect that the companies who put it up probably aren't all that. I also think (not sure) that there hasn't been any good evidence that it prevents crime being committed.

It just takes away any naturalness, it's further evidence of man's compulsive need for control of the world.

Published by Doris (not active) at 4:21pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

How much evidence is there that CCTV actually leads to a fall in crime or increased rate of conviction? I'm genuinely curious.

Published by sam i at 4:28pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

I seem to remember reading that there's not any, maybe that there is evidence it does not. Not sure though.

Published by Doris (not active) at 4:29pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=207677§i...

Basically:

The Home Office's own comprehensive evaluation, commissioned from the department of criminology at Leicester University, was cautious about the claims being made for it.

In short, it concluded that successive governments had "oversold" CCTV as a "magic bullet". The researchers, having evaluated 13 projects, concluded that the technology did offer potential benefits but only when it was integrated within a clearly defined strategy that took full account of local crime problems. However, they said that "the majority of the schemes evaluated did not reduce crime, and even where there was a reduction this was mostly not due to CCTV; nor did CCTV schemes make people feel safer, much less change their behaviour".

Published by Doris (not active) at 4:31pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

CC TV is in part to play for the 'hoodie' as an apparel of choice amongst wannabe gangster yout innit. Although they do keep your ears warm.

Published by marcosthebubble at 5:05pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

I'm aware he might be starting to feel like a one-stop for planning questions which I totally didn't mean it as.

For the record - I don't really mind, indeed sometimes it makes me feel very clever and wise, plus I'm happy to help. If I'm busy or not in the mood then I just won't reply. What does annoy me is when people assume I actually do the planning and berate me for the new house which they are NIMBYing about, as if it is my fault and I can do something about it. I actually think that planning is fantastically boring, but I really like anything to do with maps and history and architecture. I just collect and present data about planning and the guys in the tank tops take it on board. They do all wear tank tops, it's not just a myth...

Back to the thread.

Published by Silent Rob at 5:41pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

>They do all wear tank tops

God, set me up with one. I love a good tank-top I do.

>I really like anything to do with maps and history and architecture.

I went through a phrase of collecting maps but I don't any more.

Published by Doris (not active) at 5:47pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

You could get caught by the Pirate-Finder-General for carrying a treasure map ;-]

Published by daggg at 5:53pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

"I dont want to get too DailyMail but can someone make a good case for not having CCTV apart from the usual 'it goes against my personal freedom etc etc'?"

There was a report a while ago with some numbers from the Met. For every 1000 cameras in their region there were less than 10 crimes dealt with by the CCTV. Now, in a different thing I was listening to yesterday a price of 1000 per camera was quoted. That doesn't make much financial sense to me.

As for the "if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear" brigade - if you've done nothing wrong, why do you need to be watched?

Published by splattergrabs at 7:09pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

They could cctv chavs personally instead of a peckham rolex, wireless camera mounted on their baseball cap and a recording made. Could make for interesting viewing ;-]

Published by daggg at 7:46pm on Thu 19th November 2009.

Should CCTV not be placed to capture crimes? When my girlfriend's bike got nicked at the station, no cameras caught it (apparently, I have no idea as to whether anyone checked). So why don't we get more cameras in places they may lower crime or lead to more arrests?

I'm all for security cameras in general and I don't know that having them on residential streets is necessarily a terrible thing, it could lead to a reduction or increase in arrests for the kind of small crimes that the police are currently unable to really help you with (stuff nicked from sheds, broken wing mirrors, burned wheelie bins etc.), which would, on the whole, be a good thing.

But overall I don't understand why cameras are being put into low-no crime areas rather than measures being taken in higher-crime areas first... putting more cameras in car and bike parks would lead, immediately, to more arrests for theft and breaking into cars and stealing bikes, that would definitely win the council and police more support and kudos.

Published by R0B3RT at 10:44am on Fri 20th November 2009.

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Published by choaspes (not active) at 10:46am on Fri 20th November 2009.

my understanding is that most CCTV cameras don't record pictures of a high enough quality to identify suspects to a standard required in court, although they might provide some useful evidence.

Very true, but capturing someone from a couple of angles would be pretty useful in terms of placing them at the scene of more than one crime without reasonable doubt, or, indeed, tracking them from one camera to the next to see where they are going/stop or until they reach a camera that does have a high-enough resolution..

It's all very Minority Report but it's not necessarily a bad thing...

Published by R0B3RT at 10:58am on Fri 20th November 2009.

Not sure that CCTV stops bike theft an' that.

http://ipvideomarket.info/report/is_public_cctv_effective

Proponents of public CCTV systems should abandon the emphasis and claim that CCTV systems can reduce crime generally. Even if proponents ignore the fact that studies demonstrate this, clinging to this claim only creates greater debate and dissension.

Published by HarryGibbons at 12:17pm on Fri 20th November 2009.
This reply has been edited, last edit at 1:03pm on Fri 20th November 2009.

They should make them point skywards between the hours of 3 am and 4 am to catch alien visitation ;-]

Published by daggg at 12:20pm on Fri 20th November 2009.
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Published by daggg at 12:36pm on Fri 20th November 2009.

They should use them to spy on people who fail to switch off their italics.

Published by Old Rocker at 12:37pm on Fri 20th November 2009.

Published by Old Rocker at 12:38pm on Fri 20th November 2009.

im all for CCTV going up everywhere as i'm not intending on breaking any laws

Brilliant argument for the introduction of DNA database and ID cards too. Maybe we could hand over all privacy in order to root out those nasty criminals.

Published by arthurCRS at 12:43pm on Fri 20th November 2009.

Sorry. I'm new.

Published by HarryGibbons at 1:08pm on Fri 20th November 2009.

Published by daggg at 1:09pm on Fri 20th November 2009.

I like in Spooks how they can just hack into them.

Published by daggg at 1:23pm on Fri 20th November 2009.

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Published by choaspes (not active) at 1:27pm on Fri 20th November 2009.

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