Drowned in Sound

So I went on this site for the first time today. I cannot believe some of the people who post on there! They make the indie music snobbery on WAN look tame! Do these people actually believe what they're saying? Crazy!

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It's hilariously full of the worst kind of snobbery, where the users think they're a lot more underground than they actually are.

The threads where indie boys ask why girls only like them as friends are the best.

lol i was going to laugh about the hamfatter thread, more specifically the person going "Oh! You can't be in a band and want to make any money out of it at all and if you do i won't like your band". Oh DEAR. People need to eat or buy new equipment occassionally and that £50 you get from having a good crowd down the Man On The Moon does help occasionally!!!

> Nuts and Raisins: That's such a derivative statement, I was saying that years ago before it was cool.

Hahaha. What really gets me is that they only talk about indie music, a subgenre of "popular music" (in its loosest sense). No mention at all of proper music, by real composers. That's why I always find indie music snobbery so funny. REAL music snobs wouldn't even class it as music! It's much too far down the art hierarchy...

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REAL music snobs wouldn't even class it as music! It's much too far down the art hierarchy...

The irony is that sentence sounds really snobby ;-)

> it's only jazz fans that routinely have an encyclopedic knowledge of their genre in my experience

Yes you get some nice jazz fans. It's also a nice form of music, in that it is improvised but within very tight and complex structures. So it's somewhere between serious music and pop music IMO.

You do get some arsy jazz fans though i.e. the ones that have to reveal to everyone that they recognise a reference...

> The irony is that sentence sounds really snobby ;-)

hehehe as intended.

Good good :-)

the average listener who doesn't care to explore deeper into the artists music will likely just let it drift by them like a pleasant breeze, but those more adventurous and fascinated by music (like us - at the risk of sounding upmyownarse) will dig deeper and scratch away at the surface to find the intent of the song. It's pretty easy if you're interested in a band to research their history, quotes, and so forth. Then you realise whether the sentiments expressed in the music are sincere or not. You cannot have the level of sincerity that all great bands have (according to their fans at least) if you are motivated just by money.

Start here in the hamfatter thread on DiS, really, I cannot believe arthur manages to not just go 'your mum!'.

Bless 'em

Yeah I did read that. Never mind that some artists deliberately distance themselves from their work, believing that it should speak for itself.

Yeah, I'm trying to make my point, but it won't be heard. Grrrr. *bit embarrassed that all my usernames are the same now.*

the average listener who doesn't care to explore deeper into the artists music will likely just let it drift by them like a pleasant breeze, but those more adventurous and fascinated by music (like us - at the risk of sounding upmyownarse) will dig deeper and scratch away at the surface to find the intent of the song. It's pretty easy if you're interested in a band to research their history, quotes, and so forth. Then you realise whether the sentiments expressed in the music are sincere or not. You cannot have the level of sincerity that all great bands have (according to their fans at least) if you are motivated just by money.

What

A

Bunch

Of

Cunts

I wanted to start my usual rant about the intellectual poverty behind the whole "starving artist as keystone of musical integrity" but I really can't be arsed, so I'll tell a joke instead.

What's the difference between a drummer and a deluxe pizza?

A deluxe pizza can feed a family of four.

> REAL music snobs tend to know even less, but they're better at hiding it

Do you ever read the music column in Private Eye? Under the pseudonym Lunchtime O' Boulez. It's always incredibly petty and catty, so I guess snobbery is always as bad whichever sphere of music it pops up in.

yum, pizza.

On the theme of musicians and food what treats should I get for my tea? I'm PRacKtising at Half-ton and need some form of dinner which will probably be sourced from Tescos. It usually becomes Donuts.

find the intent of the song

I usually find that the intent of the song is to musically rip off other people without getting found out and then add any old words that sound like they fit.

*thinks*

Shall I join the DiS messageboard?

Shall I join the DiS messageboard?

Please do - what a shower.

Yes, the DiS messageboard definitely needs a bit of Zigaboo.

Originality is the art of concealing your source.

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They are utter twats. I don't think they actually like music. They certainly don't like people.

100 points for the first person to join their board and post a link to this thread on it. Let's have a proper scrap!

Actually, there was a recent thread on DiS about Black Metal which surprised me a bit - it's not generally that broad.

Yeah, they're all twats...

I promise you that the DiS messageboard is at least 6.57 times more interesting than this one. I think it's sad that you equate an incredible enthusiasm for music with 'snobbery'.

No, but musical enthusiasm doesn't necessarily come with a large spoonful of pretension, actually being fairly conservative with their music tastes, following the crowd (most recently with Los Campesinos and Johnny Foreigner, where signing up practically has being a fan of them in the ToS) and having the attitude of a pious, over-earnest indie fan circa 1985.

Ben_DiS- we equated snobbery with snobbery! Alright, all of them aren't twats. On that thread there were some reasonable responses. They were drowned in the sound of the twats though.

For the record I am incredibly enthusiastic about music. I am very amused by people who take pop music too seriously though.

I see they now know about this thread. 'Ello chaps!

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just saw the thread. Ah hah!

I think I might have said "nerdy" rather than "twatish" - I think WAN can be safe in the knowledge that it is a great deal more interesting and amusing than DiS which reminds me mainly of the kind of conversations we used to have behind the counter at Record & Tape Exchange in the late 80s - muso nerdy to the max!

I think I might have said "nerdy" rather than "twatish"

I dunno, I've lurked on there for years, and it's really pseud nerdy, in that there's lots of people who don't really know as much as they think they do. There's some shocking piety in there, as well. The thread about Brian Eno being ultra capitalist sell out scum because he'd produced the new Coldplay album was genius for all the wrong reasons.

Still, it could be worse, it could be the ilx music forums, which are full of intolerable snobs who do know their stuff, rather than 19 year old indie boys who like to think they do.

Here is some classical music snobbery by fans:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/F6643901?thread=5632284

So it is basically the same! At least they can rest safe in the knowledge that it's a higher art form ;-)

Hi. I'm Daniel from Drowned In Sound and all I can say is, you guys are complete twats. Really really are. It's pathetic. I feel sorry for you. Why don't you try sticking to your own forum instead of finding ones that are better than yours and pretending yours is better? Oh. What's that? You're too lame? Fair enough. Pathetic.

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Oh big lol. Presumably that was meant to be funny?

Oo er. I feel sorry for starting the thread now. I never said Drowned in Sound is crap - most of it is very interesting and very good.

I instead say that some of the things people posted were very silly. And I still believe that. The same is true on here, of course.

I only found the website today, and I will go back to it later to read the interesting articles. OK guntrip?

Not really no. How was it silly? You're being really immature.

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Where's the hypocrisy? You're being hypocritical in calling DiS rubbish when in actual fact it is WAN that is rubbish. Understand?

*lights torch , gathers pitch fork.*

How about this guntrip, a direct quote from someone:

"Oh! You can't be in a band and want to make any money out of it at all and if you do i won't like your band"

Is this not silly? Really? It is to me. We all say silly things though.

People who want to make money out of music want to lie to their fans and don't care about expressing themselves. Does pointing that out make someone silly? NO. Does calling me a boner make you look silly? YES.

*Where's the hypocrisy? You're being hypocritical in calling DiS rubbish when in actual fact it is WAN that is rubbish. Understand?*

are you trying to sound twelve? just curious. i have no interest other than the cats whiskers.

"are you trying to sound twelve? just curious. i have no interest other than the cats whiskers."

*slow claps*

Well done. You've excelled yourself.

I hope that isn't referring to my comments in the DiS thread, because I never said that at all. What you have said there would be a silly comment. Is it really that silly to say make the music you want to make and try to finance that properly, rather than make the music which will make you the most money?

It's pretty sad that as soon as someone tries to make a detailed point, whether agreed with or not, people turn it into a caricature of itself.

EXACTLY. YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS.

*Well done. You've excelled yourself.*

not really. i find this stimualting and interesting. its been a slow day.

"not really. i find this stimualting and interesting. its been a slow day."

You're such a boring person. I bet you've never even heard of Animal Collective, have you?

You're such a boring person. I bet you've never even heard of Animal Collective, have you?

Please don't stoop to this. Unless it's ironic, in which case, well done.

Why can't people just get along? Leave the arguments to the point being discussed instead of being generally rude and abnoxious to each other. That goes for you too guntrip.

*You're such a boring person.*

And you base this on what exactly?

Animal collective is not something that interests me.

I bet you've never even heard of Animal Collective, have you?

Trolling through intentional parody, surely?

> Is it really that silly to say make the music you want to make and try to finance that properly, rather than make the music which will make you the most money?

No I agree with that completely. That's not what this person said though:

"You can't be in a band and want to make any money out of it at all "

No I agree with that completely. That's not what this person said though:

"You can't be in a band and want to make any money out of it at all "

Which part of that do you disagree with?

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I like all my favourite bands to live the life of a starving artist. Why should the bastards be allowed to live a comfortable life, they're there to suffer.

That's what jobs are for

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That's what jobs are for

Bands obviously fulfill their full potential when they fit recording/rehearsing/writing/touring around their 9-5.

> Which part of that do you disagree with?

I just think that a musician would want to eat, and feed his or her family. Even Beethoven had to do this, and it didn't stop him making some of the greatest music we will ever have.

You could say the same thing about them not making good music when it becomes mundane and 9 to 5 itself, instead of an escape from mundanity.

"I just think that a musician would want to eat, and feed his or her family. Even Beethoven had to do this, and it didn't stop him making some of the greatest music we will ever have."

That's different. Beethoven's music is about maths, not emotion. Listen to Youthmovies. You'll see what I mean.

> Beethoven's music is about maths, not emotion

I strongly disagree. You can possibly level that accusation at the Baroque period, but not for the Romantic period. If you hear the second movement of the seventh symphony, you'll hear what I mean.

You could say the same thing about them not making good music when it becomes mundane and 9 to 5 itself, instead of an escape from mundanity.

You could, but that's neither here nor there, you can't seriously be suggesting that a band will be everything they can be when they're practicing for 3 hours a day a couple of times a week, writing when they're tired and pissed off after work and are just in the mind to relax, fit recording and touring around annual leave?

Come on, you're just trolling for the sake of it now.

"I strongly disagree. You can possibly level that accusation at the Baroque period, but not for the Romantic period. If you hear the second movement of the seventh symphony, you'll hear what I mean."

I have heard it. It's boring. It's a bunch of suits playing soullessly. Youthmovies is a bunch of kids playing like their lives depend on it. You stick with yours, I'll stick with mine,

"Even Beethoven had to do this, and it didn't stop him making some of the greatest music we will ever have."

Fuck Beethoven, David Holmes is where it's at.

*rewinds Listen Again......again*

:-)

ZomgoodGRIEF guyzzz

How can you Bismark DiS hard in the nose then liek...Totes BUM yer own site? PMSOL?

S-FUCKED - ho is "Cambridge"? Gasho Mathematical-Bridge-taking-apart-and-failing-to-put-it-back-together-again CHARLATANS (post "Up to Our Hips"-era)

Shitty Punting JOKES

No. Definitely irony.

I have heard it. It's boring. It's a bunch of suits playing soullessly. Youthmovies is a bunch of kids playing like their lives depend on it. You stick with yours, I'll stick with mine

Yeah, not like those DIRTY SELLOUT BASTARDS The Foal. Sellouts.

"You could, but that's neither here nor there, you can't seriously be suggesting that a band will be everything they can be when they're practicing for 3 hours a day a couple of times a week, writing when they're tired and pissed off after work and are just in the mind to relax, fit recording and touring around annual leave?

Come on, you're just trolling for the sake of it now."

I'm not. Loads of my favourite bands work jobs and still have time to make mindblowing music.

"Yeah, not like those DIRTY SELLOUT BASTARDS The Foal. Sellouts."

Foals are shit.

I really hope your for real. Seriously. It's not quite as funny if you're just pretending.

> Youthmovies is a bunch of kids playing like their lives depend on it. You stick with yours, I'll stick with mine,

I'm not denying that they make great music. I love a lot of indie music, really I do. But playing hard and energetically is not the only criterion for great music. I really think you might be surprised if you returned to classical music. It's a different and subtler set of pleasures, that are not as immediately accessible or obvious as band music.

"I'm not denying that they make great music. I love a lot of indie music, really I do. But playing hard and energetically is not the only criterion for great music. I really think you might be surprised if you returned to classical music. It's a different and subtler set of pleasures, that are not as immediately accessible or obvious as band music."

My dad's a professional cellist. So fuck you.

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Drowned in sound is hipster nonsense.

How dare you. I happen to like hipster nonsense.

Did one of Johnny Foreigner sleep with your wife?

Every post you make seems to criticise them...

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> My dad's a professional cellist. So fuck you.

Right thanks. Didn't mean to patronise. Maybe he can convince you to love a broader range of music. If you decide not to, it's a shame. I've had enough now, as you're a very angry person who probably needs to calm down a bit.

My dad's a professional cellist. So fuck you.

Brilliant... First thing thats made me smile all day.

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Right thanks. Didn't mean to patronise.

I wouldn't worry, as they're either pretending to be every DiS user stereotype we've stated, or they're trying to be patronising by thinking we can't possibly have heard of Youthmovies, Animal Collective or Johnny Foreigner, thus unintentionally being every DiS user stereotype we've stated. I havn't quite worked out which.

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lol

Oh my god! Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is everything I've ever wanted and more. This thread is so far beyond genius that I can't describe it.

I've been away for a few hours since I left my 9-5 job (alright, 11-6:30 on a good day) to rehearse with my indie pop band and have only just finished. Errr, guntrip- you're great.

IF you are serious (and I'll feel stupid if you aren't) Beethovens 7th being shit? fuck me. Are you deaf? I last heard it last night and it was still good.

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This thread is a lot of fun:) Thank you guntrip, you are a genius.

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Wow, the people on WAN slagging off the people on another forum. Penises the world over have shrunk tonight.

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Still all being gay, I see

thing is though, hamfatter are shit.

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that's not really the same guntrip that posts on dis. AN IMPOSTOR.

aren't you from cambridge?

no, i'm from crewe.

Crewe is tits

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We're lost in music;
caught in a trap.
No turning back. We're
lost in music.
We're lost in music. Feel so alive.
I quit my nine-to-five.
We're lost in music.

Have you ever seen some
people lose ev'rything?
First to go is their mind.
Responsibility to me is a tragedy.
I'll get a job some other time.
I want to join a band
and play in front of
crazy fans.
Yes
I call that temptation.
Give me a melody. That's
all that I ever need.
The music is my salvation.

We're lost in music;
caught in a trap. . . .

In the spotlight
the band plays so very tight
each and every night.
It's not vanity. To me
it's my sanity.
I could never survive.
Some people ask of me: What
are you gonna be?
Why don't you go get a job?
All that I can say:
I won't give up my music
not me
not now
no way
no how.

We're lost in music
caught in a trap
caught in our muslc.
No turning back. We're
lost in music.
We're lost in music - don't
take away our music

feel so alive
feel.
I quit - I quit my
nine-to-five. Yeah
we're lost in music.
We're lost in music -
melody is good to me.
Caught in a trap
I'm caught.
Oh baby
no turning back.No
no
no
we're lost in music.
We're lost in music.

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Nice homophobia there.

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Not you

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all I was saying is maybe it allows you to com at a piece of art or music with another perspective. Maybe from your own argument, going to art college was utter bollocks because you are being taught other people's notions about art and not deciding for youself. It's all nonsense in the end, and anybody's theory and ideals are as as good as anyone else's. I'm never obsessively pedantic about music, I don't care what label a record comes out on who produced it etc etc. However when I find an artist I really engage in, I like to know their backstory so I can (hopefully) better understand where they were coming from.

I'm not sure who said working fulltime at music was fake, sounds like a bit of extreme chinese whispers to me. If I was a pro muso, I would find it offensive too. I and most others on the thread were talking about/debating whether it affects the quality or appreciation of the music if the SOLE aim was to be a giant cash cow. Writing the most banal and inoffensive lyrics ever in order to appeal to everyone, writing music that follows the current trend because it will chart well, etc etc. Of course finances are important; sadly enough money makes the world go round.

I can't see the problem with having a bit of a debate on something, it's interesting. I never take myself too seriously but it's sad to see everybody in such an uproar over a few hypotheticals.

> However when I find an artist I really engage in, I like to know their backstory so I can (hopefully) better understand where they were coming from.

I can see where you're coming from, for example I've often read biographies of composers I like (there's a very good one of Stephen Sondheim I like!). But what worries me about doing this is that many artists struggle to distance their private lives from their art, believing that it should speak for itself. This is especially a problem in literature perhaps, where people have a tendency to assume that authors' characters are based on themselves.

thanks for a well reasoned reply. Yes it is bad when people pry into the private lives of artists of any ilk. It's more to do with a personal interest in finding out more than a right to know. I think it's a horrible consequence of fame that human beings get put on a pedestal and scrutinised to an extreme. Letting art speak for itself is an interesting idea, but I think ultimately, it was created by a person for a purpose, it's alright to want to know that purpose. I think it might just be in our nature to attach or search for meaning in things.

> it's alright to want to know that purpose.

I agree. There's nothing necessarily wrong in wanting to know about the private life of an artist, and lots of people do this judging by the size of the biography section in most bookshops. Often though, one may think it says something about what a particular piece of their art is about, when in fact the connection is spurious.

An example I mentioned above is one of Sondheim's shows "Company", where many people speculate that the lead character is a version of the composer himself. The fact that most of the character is coming from the playwright rather than the composer (who wrote the character's lyrics) diminishes this view.

Having said that though, even if a composer claims that none of their work is based on their own life, some of it must creep in. Thus the relationship between artist and art is a subtle symbiosis.

yes, maybe I had been over-exaggerating the importance of the artists views in relation to their work. I did study one piece briefly though while I was at uni (I think it was a module on marxism) where the artist was commissioned to paint some bourgeoisie guy, however he wove in some subtle criticism of the upper classes. I don't think I would have known that or understood it without knowing the artist's background. This was a pretty vague response I know, but I don't remember it much.

Cor, Twix's are well good ain't they?

Fancy a finger? LOL.

surely you'd prefer a time out!

I once had a twix in me mouth and a drifter in my lady cave and duty free sized Toblerone in my ass. Sweet.

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Well you seem a little angered. I understnad your point, and what i said about art college was just to remind you that we all learn by observation and imitation. Observing other people's ideas and values, imitating and changing those values to our own. Yes you will end up thinking for yourself in the end, but you learn from others who know more than you on a particular subject. It's the same as when I want to learn about an artist, their life, opinions, etc...I may not agree with them and come away thinking "I prefer my take on your work to your own" but at least i will have the information. How do I know what you learnt at college: I don't. How do you know what I choose to find out about music: you don't.

It was never never never inferred by me that making money from music makes you a fake. If that impression came across, I'm sorry, and I'vebeen trying my best to put it right. money from music does not = bad music. money being regarded as more important than the music = (or may =) bad music.

A bit of an aside but it's amusing how some artists end up with lucrative recording contracts, but then want to get out of them and end up releasing dross to satisfy their album quota. E.g. Mike Oldfield's later albums (whatever people think of him), which he released under the name "Michael Oldfield" to differentiate them. I also heard a story about Frank Zappa (I think) once who turned up with a pile of 7 albums of shit, and then said "there's my seven albums I owe you" LOL.

Save your love my darling, save your love
For summer nights with moon and stars above
A serenade I long to sing you
The reddest rose I'll always bring you
Save your love for Roma and for me

Darling I will love you endlessly
Even though you're far away from me
I can't forget the words I told you
How it felt to love and hold you
Love like ours will last eternally

Save your love my darling, save your love
For summer nights with moon and stars above
A serenade I long to sing you
The reddest rose I'll always bring you
Save your love for Roma and for me

Even though it's been so very long
The memory of our love still lingers on
I can't wait to hold and kiss you
Don't you know how much I miss you
Darling sing for me our lovers song

Salva l'amore cara, salva l'amore
Le notte d'estate la luna l'estelle lassu
A serenade I long to sing you
The reddest rose I always bring you
Salva l'amore per Roma e per me

(La la-la la-la la-la la-la) io ti amo caro
(La-la la-la la-la la-la la-la) I love you
I can't wait to hold and kiss you
Don't you know how much I miss you
Darling, sing for me our lover's song

Save your love my darling, save your love
(Oh you know that I will)
For summer nights with moon and stars above
(Oh I love you still)
A serenade I long to sing you
The reddest rose I always bring you
Save your love for Roma and for me

Zappa was pretty hilarious, but in a funny way I can't help thinking he was a totally serious person.

Chelley:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LUie81E82k

Check out those moves!

If I was in charge of the dawn I would have all you shot at it.

Can you talk about love next? I think we all need someone to wax lyrical about it so we can understand it maybe?

Its the time of year
Now that Spring is in the air
When those two wet gits with their girly curly hair
Make another song for moronic holidays
That nauseate-ate-ate
In a million different ways
From the shores of Spain
To the coast of Southern France
No matter where you hide
You just can't escape this dance

Hold a chicken in the air
Stick a deckchair up your nose
Buy a jumbo jet
And then bury all your clothes
Paint your left knee green
Then extract your wisdom teeth
Form a string quartet
And pretend your name is Keith

Skin yourself alive
Learn to speak Arapahoe
Climb inside a dog
And behead an eskimo
Eat a Renault Four with salami in your ears
Casserole your gran
Disembowel yourself with spears

The disco is vibrating
The sound is loud and grating
Its truly nauseating
Let's do the dance again

Hold a chicken in the air
Stick a deckchair up your nose
Yes you'll hear this song in the holiday discos
And there's no escape in the clubs or in the bars
You would hear this song if you holidayed in Mars

Skin yourself alive
Learn to speak Arapahoe
Climb inside a dog
And behead an eskimo
Now you've heard it once
Your brain will spring a leak
And though you hate this song
You'll be humming it for weeks

Hold a chicken in the air
Stick a deckchair up your nose
Buy a jumbo jet
And then bury all your clothes
La la la la la
La la la la la la la
La la la la la
La la la la la la laaaaaaa

I'm going to spend more time on DiS! It's hilarious.

http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/2941572

Well that was fun. Can't help thinking it was escalated from a fairly congenial discussion, so well done guntrip. I suspect they're the best troll ever, but am not totally sure.

Yeah, he wasn't heping anybody. Least of all himself!

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I'm just saying you can never be context free. It's impossible to take an objective look at something. All our values opinions, morality, etc, was taught to us by other people or pieced together from different opinions.

I just wonder sometimes why you would want to seperate the art from the artist.

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^^^ Bamnan isn't Guntrip. I was having a real discussion with Bamnan over on DiS.

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hehe, this has to be the most out of control, confusing thread in a long time!

I didn't even notice guntrip's comments on the DiS thread until he started posting here. If people were confusing me for him that would sort explain how I seem to have got alot of people's backs up.

Let's just keep talking about erotic chocolate use!

*gets out a finger of fudge and smiles*

^
*sings*

A finger of fudge is just enough
To give your goats a treat...

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ok , fuck off your septic old beatles lover

haha! and so it begins again....hopefully :P

Well I apologise for baiting the DiS'ers last night. I was slightly pissed and was excited because I was off round my girlfriends to watch Reginald Perrin. I've been reading the old testament recently and it has made me think war and vengeance is a good idea.

Bamnan- you are alright by me and please pass my regards and apologies to your DiS friends.

Goodness gracious, what a kerfuffle.

Hey no worries. It beats the same stale old threads about whether radiohead are the best band ever. "Yes." "No." "Yes." "Who really cares." repeat to fade. I haven't been on DiS too long myself so I'm not going to take offense on anyone else's behalf, and much like everywhere, there are a few cunts who have nothing positive to say.

Here is a little song I wrote
You might want to sing it note for note
Don't worry be happy
In every life we have some trouble
When you worry you make it double
Don't worry, be happy......

Ain't got no place to lay your head
Somebody came and took your bed
Don't worry, be happy
The land lord say your rent is late
He may have to litigate
Don't worry, be happy
Lood at me I am happy
Don't worry, be happy
Here I give you my phone number
When you worry call me
I make you happy
Don't worry, be happy
Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style
Ain't got not girl to make you smile
But don't worry be happy
Cause when you worry
Your face will frown
And that will bring everybody down
So don't worry, be happy (now).....

There is this little song I wrote
I hope you learn it note for note
Like good little children
Don't worry, be happy
Listen to what I say
In your life expect some trouble
But when you worry
You make it double
Don't worry, be happy......
Don't worry don't do it, be happy
Put a smile on your face
Don't bring everybody down like this
Don't worry, it will soon past
Whatever it is
Don't worry, be happy

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*chokes on flapjack*

So, those drownded in sounded people, wankers eh?

Oh yes. Undoubtedly and indubitably.

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*takes flapjack outta ACRS mouth*

*puts on led zep*

so no punch up by the bicycle sheds then?

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methinks they doth protest too much / too little.

hehe, you guys really want to milk this one for all it's worth!

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those are good points! I will put them into the stew of debate and swallow them later, seeing what stays nutritious inside me and what gets excreted.

I don't think I've ever listned to a compilation cd without a track listing. It sounds fun though!

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^^^ Like John Peel, but not with an audience of thousands. And by mistake.

I used to claim some of my music was by actual famous bands and then say "not really, haha!" just to see how much people would believe it. Sillyness I know, but I guess that was removing the context, or replacing it with another one.

It's amazing how many people stop caring when you tell them you just did it in your room.

> Understandably, this musician was disgusted that natural ability was being considered inferior to theoretical knowledge and mathematical thinking.

I can agree with your comments Grabsplatter. But without knowing the context of these tests, they weren't necessarily a bad thing. Often you get better at improvising by restricting yourself first. If you can learn to think about every stage of the improvisation, you are then much more focussed and better at it later on. Particularly so in jazz where the harmonies are so complex. It's a bit like drum textbooks that drill exercises and rudiments into you.

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Try walking to the end of the road while you think about how you walk. You'll be walking like a cripple within 20 feet.

I read this as "You'll be walking like a cripple with 20 feet."

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> Somethings are best left to the subconcious.

Yes I agree. But it's a compromise between theory and practice, that's all. It's never random notes one's playing - what may feel subconcious has actually taken a lot of practice beforehand.

I'm certainly a better drummer for knowing rudiments. It makes things easier, but I must stress that I'm not as hung up on technique as some, as some of the best technicians I've heard are also among the most dull drummers.

Zigaboo Modeliste - sitting on the percussive fence since, well, about now-ish.

I'm a proficient but not particularly good drummer and pianist, and know that if I practiced heavily in a disciplined way I'd be a lot better. So that's where I'm coming from.

> some of the best technicians I've heard are also among the most dull drummers.

Absolutely. But Buddy Rich is a counterexample.

This is similar to languages. I did a degree in French, and did okay at it because I worked hard at it, but I was never a "natural" linguist. You could quite easily identify those people on my course who had natural talent, and those who just worked at it. The "working at it" can get you so far, but not as far as if you combine it with innate talent, I think. Same with music, in fact, I did quite well at clarinet, but again, only through working at it.

Buddy Rich is unique, no? Saw him on his last UK tour and it was incredible, even at the age of 705 or whatever he was.

I didn't think you were a bad drummer, Nuts and Raisins. I mean, you'd have to be quite good to keep that mob you used to play with in something resembling an even tempo. ;-)

sometimes I think being too good at an instrument technically, can blind you to how good simple things can sound, simply because they seem obvious or effortless. I'm by no means a great guitarist, I'd say I was average to good, but I've been trying alot lately to remember the benefits of simplicity.

It's difficult to hear the same piece of music over and over again while you're perfecting it/recording it, and not come out of it thinking it's rubbish and being completely deflated by the whole experience. I wonder how people avoid this?

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Hehe. Jazz drumming though is already a different league I think. It's the coordination as well as the wrist and finger action LOL.

One thing I always meant to do but never did was follow up one of my old teacher's suggestions, which is to practice rudiments on a pillow, which has absolutely no bounce.

Wilful ignorance or self-belief bordering on the psychotic.

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I always cheer myself up by realising that anything sounds bad if you keep listening to the same few bars. I guess people like Neil Young don't have this problem since alot of his stuff is just recorded live or partially live.

One thing I always meant to do but never did was follow up one of my old teacher's suggestions, which is to practice rudiments on a pillow, which has absolutely no bounce.

I used to do this. Nowadays I don't practice at all cos I'm JUST SO FUCKING BRILLIANT.

wow you guys are definitely good at life!

I can't be bothered to get better at guitar or drums anymore, I feel too old for learning.

I'm never going to get any better at guitar. But I'm OK. I reckon there's a level that'll suffice if you don't want to have a massive fretwank, and I'm a naturally lazy person.

People in guitar shops put me off wanting mad skillz.

yes but then you listen to something like pentangle and think "damn, it sounds so easy!"

"So, those drownded in sounded people, wankers eh?

Oh yes. Undoubtedly and indubitably."

Why don't you both shut up? This website is laughable.

And by the way, it's hilarious you still haven't let this go. You're obsessed.

Errr...If you're not really riled and obsessed by this, why did you bother coming back to look at it?

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"Errr...If you're not really riled and obsessed by this, why did you bother coming back to look at it?"

Because believe it or not I actually have a life outside the internet and I was out with my mates this morning and now I'm at work and I thought 'might as well see what those WAN bellends are up to' so I did. Is that alright with you? Toff.

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""Toff"

*guffaws*"

Hilarious. I take it you're a girl?

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Do you not think it's a bit pathetic for a girl to be posting on the internet?

*walks in looking confused*

*picks up gin and goes back to the soda stream*

^ oooh fizzy gin? yummy :)

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Are you single?

Oh god! Guntrip you can't be serious? You've just dug yourself just about the biggest hole ever. At first I thought maybe you came on here to defend yourself but nobodies even talking about that anymore and here you are again antagonising.

Ha!

Who's the genius behind guntrip then - c'mon, spill the beans. There's NO WAY this isn't a WAN regular being a troll.

I've pretty much come around to this way of thinking now too. Maybe the whole argument is an ellaborate prank.

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"Oh god! Guntrip you can't be serious? You've just dug yourself just about the biggest hole ever. At first I thought maybe you came on here to defend yourself but nobodies even talking about that anymore and here you are again antagonising."

Piss off. You do realise NOBODY respects you on DiS don't you? Like nobody. You should see the pm commandercool sent me yesterday. roflworthy.

"alas, i'm not single *sniff*

plus i'm probably far too old for you ;)"

seein as ure in a situation witout a man i culd fill in tht space 4 u.

i am well abl to plz u girl.

i culd give you a list of 50 fit girlz that wuld tell you that is 100% tru.

Mogli

Janeyferr, I'm sure Guntrip is not jealous...

I think "guntrip" and Bamnan are the same person, being satirical. Quality comedy.

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What do I care? I didn't join DiS to get respect, I read through the site for a while before and decided there were some (ok just a few) genuinely interesting things being discussed. It's a shame you're giving some of the decent folks there such a bad name. I feel sorry for you if your idea of respect is recieving an amusing PM on a message board.

Now come on, you're not really genuine are you? ;)

that would be great, but I can assure you we are not.

seein as ure in a situation witout a man i culd fill in tht space 4 u.

i am well abl to plz u girl.

i culd give you a list of 50 fit girlz that wuld tell you that is 100% tru.

Mogli

In proper language? . . .

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"What do I care? I didn't join DiS to get respect, I read through the site for a while before and decided there were some (ok just a few) genuinely interesting things being discussed. It's a shame you're giving some of the decent folks there such a bad name. I feel sorry for you if your idea of respect is recieving an amusing PM on a message board.

Now come on, you're not really genuine are you? ;)"

No, my idea of respect is having 55,000 posts, having two non-consecutive relationships with DiS members and being widely regarded as one of the best posters on the entire forums. My point was, the pm proves nobody has any respect for YOU. Learn to read before you try taking on someone like me.

Okay so the plot thickens. Guntrip has suddenly started speaking like Famousalwayz...

i have to say it was more funny when it was vaguelly plausible

*sigh* I'm with Scatty, though I'd spell vaguely with only one l. Fizzy gins?

No, my idea of respect is having 55,000 posts, having two non-consecutive relationships with DiS members and being widely regarded as one of the best posters on the entire forums. My point was, the pm proves nobody has any respect for YOU. Learn to read before you try taking on someone like me.

I visualised that as being accompanied by a comedy grab of the crotch for effect.

...And who the bally heck is pan-pan?

*confused, but still entertained*

Is this some kind of cult now? this is getting beyond a joke. Why on earth would you bother posting such provocative horse shit? Why don't you just calm down and go back to being king of the interweb, while I'll continue finding amusing diversions at work?

But before you explode in another fit of rage, I wonder if you could explain why it is you are so insanely angry.

> Fizzy gins?

That's such a good petname for a lover.

"How are you today, fizzy-gins?"

Oh and if people don't believe I'm real

http://www.drownedinsound.com/user/view/2309

idiots

"But before you explode in another fit of rage, I wonder if you could explain why it is you are so insanely angry."

I'm not angry. I'm comfortable and grinning. As usual.

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you're 24??? no way.

I'd have guessed at 17ish . . .

Oh! Fizzy-gins!

Yeah. Interested now, aren't you?

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yeah, he sounds like me when I was an annoying teen; only I didn't bother with internet forums. Probably a wise choice in retrospect.

I make it fizzygin o'clock :)

"yeah, he sounds like me when I was an annoying teen; only I didn't bother with internet forums. Probably a wise choice in retrospect."

If only it was one you'd kept taking.

I think we should diffuse the situation with more sex-chocolate. Kit Kat chunky?

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*rubs knees*

What's wrong with the world, mama
People livin' like they ain't got no mamas
I think the whole world addicted to the drama
Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma
Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism
But we still got terrorists here livin'
In the USA, the big CIA
The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK
But if you only have love for your own race
Then you only leave space to discriminate
And to discriminate only generates hate
And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah
Madness is what you demonstrate
And that's exactly how anger works and operates
Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach
And would you turn the other cheek

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love
The love, the love

It just ain't the same, always unchanged
New days are strange, is the world insane
If love and peace is so strong
Why are there pieces of love that don't belong
Nations droppin' bombs
Chemical gasses fillin' lungs of little ones
With ongoin' sufferin' as the youth die young
So ask yourself is the lovin' really gone
So I could ask myself really what is goin' wrong
In this world that we livin' in people keep on givin'
in
Makin' wrong decisions, only visions of them dividends
Not respectin' each other, deny thy brother
A war is goin' on but the reason's undercover
The truth is kept secret, it's swept under the rug
If you never know truth then you never know love
Where's the love, y'all, come on (I don't know)
Where's the truth, y'all, come on (I don't know)
Where's the love, y'all

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach
And would you turn the other cheek

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love
The love, the love

I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder
As I'm gettin' older, y'all, people gets colder
Most of us only care about money makin'
Selfishness got us followin' our wrong direction
Wrong information always shown by the media
Negative images is the main criteria
Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria
Kids wanna act like what they see in the cinema
Yo', whatever happened to the values of humanity
Whatever happened to the fairness in equality
Instead in spreading love we spreading animosity
Lack of understanding, leading lives away from unity
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down
There's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under
Gotta keep my faith alive till love is found

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach
And would you turn the other cheek

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)

*hands around the fizzy gins, sits back and watches with interest*

Wait a minute, you're bragging about having two girlfirends off the internet? Maaa-aaan I'm out of date - that used to be something you'd say quietly when I were a lad.

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^ would scrumpy in the soda stream explode? *wanders off to experiment*

"Wait a minute, you're bragging about having two girlfirends off the internet? Maaa-aaan I'm out of date - that used to be something you'd say quietly when I were a lad."

Mm, except these were fit ones from drowned in sound, though. So your argument doesn't make sense.

You can be born in the internet now? Wow I am getting old quick.

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Parody:

1. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See synonyms at caricature.
2. The genre of literature comprising such works.
3. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice.

This has to be 1 or 3.

Can I have a non-alcoholic-fizzy-gin-substitute please?

too obvious, bored now.

*gets ginancholy and the burps*

^ fizzy elderflower cordial Jude?

*passes fruit juice*

"guntrip: do "unrepentent paedophile" next, this one's getting a little old.

*refills fizzy gin*"

Oh look, whoop-di-doo, it's the smug poster who pretends nothing happening is remotely interesting to them, but still posts constantly about their lack of interest. Every forum has one. No forum is remotely convinced.

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You still haven't told me why you are being so aggressive?

Oh look, whoop-di-doo, it's the smug poster who pretends nothing happening is remotely interesting to them, but still posts constantly about their lack of interest. Every forum has one. No forum is remotely convinced.

Says the man who claims he doesn't care what a bunch of bored office workers in Cambridge say about him...

*mixes elderflower cordial with pineapple juice*

Yummy.

I guessed it might be... fizzy gin?

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fizzy gin & elderflower? om nom nom nom

"Says the man who claims he doesn't care what a bunch of bored office workers in Cambridge say about him..."

Says the toff.

says the goff

Fizzy elderflower cordial is really nice. I write from experience.

Someone mentioned Youthmovies somewhere in one of these threads. Fucking wank.

Fizzy elderflower cordial is really nice

very nice when diluted with fizzy water IMO. You didn't see the Rolo Tomassi/Youth Movies collaboration at Truck, not fun.

"Someone mentioned Youthmovies somewhere in one of these threads. Fucking wank."

Let me guess - you're a Nickelback fan.

Go home and learn about proper music, then come back, post about it and I might give a shit what you say.

That's what I meant; elderflower cordial + fizzy water. Fizzy elderflower cordial is probably fermenting.

>i am well abl to plz u girl.

is it just more or did he just start talking like well-known WAN-trolls of years gone by?

>Oh and if people don't believe I'm real
>http://www.drownedinsound.com/user/view/2309

Just because there is someone called 'guntrip' on DiS doesn't mean that this is the same person.

in summary: this is now boring.

You could have meant with lemonade, which would be far too sweet!

"Someone mentioned Youthmovies somewhere in one of these threads. Fucking wank."

Let me guess - you're a Nickelback fan.

Go home and learn about proper music, then come back, post about it and I might give a shit what you say.

I love Nickelback and their part-horse-part-singer.

I need a broader repetoire of soft drinks, beyond the obvious. Elderflower cordial seems a good place to start. I don't like drinks that are too sweet, though.

Yep, boring now. I have some ignoring to be done.

"Just because there is someone called 'guntrip' on DiS doesn't mean that this is the same person.

in summary: this is now boring."

The more boring it gets, the worse your website gets. And that's all I ever wanted. Not that it's possible because it's so rubbish in the first pklace.

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Jude, just hit the milk. It's food and drink in one glass.

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we know matt, it's ok

*yawns*

I like milk. It's the only drink I can stomach while I'm eating, ie that doesn't 'clash' revoltingly with food.

Yes, sorry. Is someone from the Milk Marketing Board going to be enraged?

milk is ick flat and definately shouldn't be made fizzy.

No, but you'd better watch out... I've heard there's a Humphrey about.

[/old person's reference]

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Fucks up your sodastream. I, again, write from experience.

Guntrip, you're making this forum pan-tastic!
Can we have a pyjma party one day, eat pop tarts, complain about our online girlfriends, and end up making out because we both know deep inside that online girlfriends don't relieve testicles pressure? Is it why you're a bit tensed maybe?

^ditto this as mentioned on another thread :)

edited to clarify that I'm refering to milk in sodastreams

Fizzy milk?

*pukes*

When you're 7 fizzy milk seems like the best idea ever: fizzy = great, milk = great, so how can it go wrong?

When you're 7 fizzy milk seems like the best idea ever: fizzy = great, milk = great, so how can it go wrong?

by adding cola postmix after fizzing :)

*pukes*

Soup Soup
Tasty Soup Soup
Spicy carrot and corriander
Chilli chowder
Crouton Crouton
Crunch friends in a liquid broth
I am gespatchio Oh!
I am a summer soup Mmmm!
Miso Miso
Fighting in the dojo
Miso Miso
Oriental Prince in the land of soup

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Milk is not supposed to be used in this way.

My milk shake brings all the boys to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you,
but I have to charge

My milk shake brings all the boys to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you,
but I have to charge

I know you want it,
the thing that makes me,
what the guys go crazy for.
They lose their minds,
the way I wind,
I think its time

la la-la la la,
warm it up.
la la-la la la,
the boys are waiting

la la-la la la,
warm it up.
la la-la la la,
the boys are waiting

My milk shake brings all the boys to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you,
but I have to charge

My milk shake brings all the boys to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you,
but I have to charge

I can see youre on it,
you want me to teach the
techniques that freaks these boys,
it can't be bought,
just know, thieves get caught,
watch if your smart,

la la-la la la,
warm it up,
la la-la la la,
the boys are waiting,

la la-la la la,
warm it up,
la la-la la la,
the boys are waiting,

My milk shake brings all the boys to the yard,
and they're like,

*Is it true that mixing orange juice and milk together makes you vomit?*

ive done it , although i didn't blow chunks it wasn't a refreshign drink.

'my dads a cellist'. Is that an indie equivalent of 'My old mans a dustbin' ?

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Let's drown it. In sound.

*shouts loudly*

Who's taking the piss out of my dad? >:-(

Fuck off, that is bang, bang out.

bang bang out, bang bang out what? Speak up boy

What's the difference between the first and last desk of a cello section?

A semitone.

Why don't cellists play hide and seek?

Because no one will look for them.

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"Why don't cellists play hide and seek?

Because no one will look for them."

What about when my dad got lost in Sweden and had a full rescue team sent after him? True story, actually.

They thought he was a dustman.

I like this one:

Two musicians are walking down the street, and one says to the other,"Who was that piccolo I saw you with last night?"

The other replies, "That was no piccolo, that was my fife"

why was george michael covered in chocolate?

because he was careless with his wispa

Not relevant at all, but made me chuckle

still cant be hard finding somebody with a cello. Even in a big country like Sweden.
So are you enjoying the first day of the school hols, or do you miss the tuck shop?

I'm 24

so upper sixth then

No. I work for the council.

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Work experience?

I'm going now. Rest assured, you're all still idiots.

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Do the council know about your average post count? Must be a full time job in itself, without spreading yourself across several forums.

but on the positive side, you've raised your post count by a few! Just remember, Rome wasn't built in a day.

I can't believe you made the same joke as me :( :)

See ya!

Hey!, If we can solve any problem
Then why do we lose so many tears
Oh, and so you go again
When the leading man appears
Always the same thing
Can't you see, we've got everything goin' on and on and on

Every time you go away you take a piece of me with you
Every time you go away you take a piece of me with you

Go on and go free, yeah
Maybe you're too close to see
I can feel your body move
It doesn't mean that much to me
I can't go on sayin' the same thing
Just can't you see, we've got everything do you even know
We
Know

Every time you go away you take a piece of me with you, oh
Every time you go away you take a piece of me with you

I can't go on sayin' the same thing
'Cause baby, can't you see, we've got everything goin' on
And
On and on

Every time you go away you take a piece of me with you
Every time you go away you take a piece of me with you

do you work for the council digging holes. Your are very good at it.

There I was, a-digging this hole
Hole in the ground, so big and sort of round it was
And there was I, digging it deep
It was flat at at the bottom and the sides were steep
When along comes this bloke in a bowler which he lifted and scratched his head
Well he looked down the hole, poor demented soul and he said

Do you mind if I make a suggestion?

Don’t dig there, dig it elsewhere
Your digging it round and it ought to be square
The shape of it’s wrong, it’s much much too long
And you can’t put hole where a hole don’t belong

I ask, what a liberty eh?
Nearly bashed him right in the bowler

Well there was I, stood in me hole
Shovelling earth for all that I was worth I was
And there was him, standing up there
So grand and official with his nose in the air
So I gave him a look sort of sideways and I leaned on me shovel and sighed
Well I lit me a fag and having took a drag I replied

I just couldn’t bear, to dig it elsewhere
I’m digging it round cos I don’t want it square
And if you disagree it doesn’t bother me
That’s the place where the holes gonna be

Well there we were, discussing this hole
Hole in the groud so big and sort of round it was
It’s not there now, the ground’s all flat
And beneath it is the bloke in the bowler hat
And that’s that

All mouth no brains this guys a pain,

You can scream and cuss,

He'll put his boot up your dogs arse and lick your lasses puss.

He'll nick your fags take your booze and tie fireworks to the cat,

And inform the dole you're working,

Just who is this twat ?

He's a cunt, he's a cunt, he's a C-U-N-T cunt,

With his broken teeth and his ugly face,

He's a little dick teaser that's out of place,

He'd sleep with your granny and bite her fanny,

And wears his trousers back to front

And he farts up cocks and he's riddled with pox,

Cos basically he's a cunt.

He dyes his hair to match his clothes,

And he smells so much he fills your nose,

With a small tattoo to prove he's tough, and an earring the fucking puff.

You've never heard of this human turd, he'd be a pig if he could grunt,

And he talks a load of crap as well,

Cos basically he's a cunt.

He's a cunt, he's a cunt, he's a C-U-N-T cunt,

With his broken teeth and his ugly face,

He's a little dick teaser that's out of place,

He'd sleep with your granny and bite her fanny,

And wears his trousers back to front

And he farts up cocks and he's riddled with pox,

Cos basically he's a cunt.

He's spots and warts and blackheads too,

Doesn't know a joke unless it's blue,

And the Vicar's daughter swears and cries he fucked her with a pack of lies,

Maybe you've heard about this man, well you haven't far to hunt,

Cos it's me you pack of bastards,

Basically I'm a Cunt.

I'm a cunt, I'm a cunt, I'm a C-U-N-T cunt,

With my broken teeth and my ugly face,

I'm a little dick teaser that's out of place,

I'd sleep with your granny and bite her fanny,

And I wear my trousers back to front

And I fart up cocks and I'm riddled with pox,

Cos basically I'm a cunt.

Bernard Cribbens?

No, Val Doonican.

Most definitely Bernard Cribbins and produced by the one and only George Martin!

Thus dispelling the cruel jibe that he never produced anything worthwhile apart from the Beatles.

Oh. My song was by Val Doonican. Possibly.

Bernard Cribbens is a minor deity in our house, as I may have mentioned before.

Clearly the best thing he ever did was Charlie Drake's "My Boomerang Won't Come Back"!

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Don't forget the "Ray Cathode" single George Martin did with Maddalena Fagandini in 1962...

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/04/ray_cathode_aka.html

Bernard in his pomp - http://991.com/newGallery/Bernard-Cribbins-The-Hole-In-The-G-366078.jp...

http://drownedinsound.com/articles/3713710

Ah. I'm actually kinda relieved it's a spoof...

I can't believe no-one realised it wasn't real. You mugs!

To be fair, lots of people have speculated it was a hoax. We can't be as cool and on the ball as you.

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Drownedinsound really needs to bring in the image uploading feature. Heres an unrelated image from google image search.

Call me Lord B then, young Mr. Splatter...

i'm the cristiano ronaldo of the internet. the ball is on me.

:0)

Shut up, everyone

simon_b being called a toff has given me the brilliant image of him in top hat and tails, complete with monocle and cane.

I think it would suit you simon_b!

Haha. Seriously, me and hats equals bad shit. ;-)

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Someone with enough time on his hands and who spends enough time on DiS to want to impersonate a fellow poster...

Are you lot still banging on about DiS? Jeez. Back to work / daytime TV all of you. Hey you, yes you put that down and stop fannying about. Be gone with you!

*Call me Lord B then, young Mr. Splatter.*

i beleive his offical title was "Lord indie bollocks"

Oi, i'm putting on Uriah Heep, i'll have you know :P

Wow, I was lost in Poland for 24 hours and shit happens :D I blame mwhite of course